NERD hatches an Albino Water Monitor!!!

[DaveDragon]

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We saw the adults when we visited there a few months ago.

Our daughter petting one of the normals.

 

[leoares27]

how do you properly heat an albino basking lizard??? REd light?

 

[Harveysherps]

Ben Seigle has the Albino Niles. He has a pair for sale on KS. Man they are pretty.

 

[lotsareps]

Ben Seigle has the Albino Niles. He has a pair for sale on KS. Man they are pretty.

i've seen Ben's niles in person!
they are gorgeous but i wouldn't want to care for an albino basking lizard

 

[KoreanDeathKid]

oh my, good news with no pics?!?!?!

 

[BSM]

you know

they are gorgeous but i wouldn't want to care for an albino basking lizard

They found there orginal Albino waters from the wild and were adults, so i dont think its that bad. If they could survive in the wild from baby to adult being an albino then they def.. could live fine in captivity with out a problem.

 

[Harveysherps]

That's right. They have found that it doesn't bother them as bad. They can pic which time of day to be in the sun. The tread in the link say that the adults bask under UV lights. They are just being cautious with the baby cause it's skin is so thin and delicate. It is amazingly beautiful. The pics in the link at the bottom of the page Death Kid .

 

[DaveDragon]

oh my, good news with no pics?!?!?!

Didn't you click on the link? There were links to pics of the baby.

 

[leoares27]

Well, although it is very pretty, and i may get "yelled" at for this, but I don't think people should breed albino anythings, especially if they have to bask in such high degrees...maybe if you want to study the animal, maybe, but just to make a buck...
just my "average joe" opinion.

 

[VARNYARD]

Well, although it is very pretty, and i may get "yelled" at for this, but I don't think people should breed albino anythings, especially if they have to bask in such high degrees...maybe if you want to study the animal, maybe, but just to make a buck...
just my "average joe" opinion.

Well I can not agree more, it is wrong in my book as well.

 

[leoares27]

Thank you for agreeing with me...i thought I was going to get reemed for that comment... :lol:

Thanks,
Sarah

 

[Harveysherps]

Albino is a naturally occurring gene. They are beautiful animals. They get better care as captives . So as long as they are healthy and thrive. I myself see nothing wrong with it. Of course I love the Albino and White reptiles. The albino gene in my book has helped put less stress on the natural or wild looking genes. Thus keeping many of the wild type from being captured and the numbers suffer for it. So in a sense the albino gene could help stop a lot of senseless imports. And also keep wild populations where they are in the wild. That's my stand on the Albino gene.

 

[hoosier]

NERD is selling het hatchlings on KS aswell. they are wayyyyyy out of my price range though. i see them on there every now and then

 

[leoares27]

albinism is naturally occuring in the wild BUT it less likely to happen in the wild than it is for humans to be born with the albino gene.
and (this i'm not sure of) doesn't inbreeding usually have to occur to make albino babies since both parents have to be carriers to produce a baby with actual abinism?

I just think it is an unnecassary and mostly harmful thing to do to an animal just because we think it might be pretty...

Have a great thanksgiving all!!

 

[kethry]

wow those are preety...!

 

[RehabRalphy]

"Melanin is a dark compound that is called a photoprotective pigment. The major role of melanin pigment in the skin is to absorb the ultraviolet (UV) light that comes from the sun so that the skin is not damaged"

Simple, if the animal (or even human) does not have the skin pigmentation in order to prevent harmful rays from reaching dangerous levels, then only negative results will accur.

While melanin�s role in protecting us from ultraviolet light is understood, it also has other important functions in the development of the retina and brain and their interconnection of which we know much less..

If you talk to anyone who owns Albino Tegus/Monitors, you will quickly find out that they have a hard time seeing, and most adults are blind. Reason being, the retina is underdevoloped.

People with large amounts of melanin in their skin are generally highly resistant to the effects of UV radiation, while, conversely, albinos are highly susceptible to UV radiation, and consequently skin cancer.

Heres just another scientific fact on why Albinos should not receive UV lighitng...

The sun�s hazardous ultraviolet (UV) radiation (invisible energy waves) bombards an animal�s skin. For most creatures, sunbeams signal their bodies to pump up the production of melanin (pigment that controls color). This natural toner helps skin tan rather than burn. Since albino animals can�t produce pigments, they�re unable to protect their skin. Too much UV exposure can spell severe sunburn--and possibly deadly cancers.


Albino reptiles (classification of animals that includes snakes, lizards, alligators, crocodiles, and turtles) face a particularly serious dilemma. These cold-blooded animals depend on external heat to regulate their body temperature and metabolism (process in which billions of the body�s cells release energy stored in food). Reptiles� heat source: the sun.

When wild albino reptiles seek out the sun for warmth, they�re in for trouble, says John Brueggen, a herpetologist (reptile scientist) at the Saint Augustine Alligator Farm in Florida. "They burn," he says. "But they don�t know they�re burning. So they�ll keep bunting until they blister."



Vitamin D and Osteoporosis

Osteoporosis is most often associated with inadequate calcium intake. However, a deficiency of vitamin D also contributes to osteoporosis by reducing calcium absorption.

Hmm inadequate. Define: Indadequate - not meeting the requirements wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Your body as well as reptiles, require certain amounts of calcium in order to function. To much or to little will result in complications as stated above.

THIS EXPLAINS WHY THEY CAN'T JUST BE GIVE THEIR SUPPLEMENTS INSTEAD OF THE LIGHTING...

So what is the problem, you ask, why not load everyone to the gills with Vitamin D? In simple terms, mega doses of Vitamin D can cause hypercalcemia, which in layperson terms means there is too much free calcium (Ca2+) in the blood.

vitamin D recommended dietary allowance may prevent osteomalacia in the absence of sunlight, but an uneven Vitamin D intake and sunlight expose will result in hypercalcemia.


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The sun, which is the biggest producer of UVA/UVB/UVC, creates tons, literally tons, of rays which reptiles soak up in their natural habitat. It is unfortunate that in captivity, you cannot provide as much UV as the sun. But, you can provide enough for the animal to live. On the other hand, only giving your albino lizard low amounts of UV, may result in health issues even though you supplement with D3. D3 is the aid which helps the animal to create the necessary nutrients, but without the UV, they will not make as much.

This post wasn't created to put down anyone. I thought I would just post some facts.

Happy Thanksgiving all!

8)

 

[leoares27]

Thank you so much for that! I completely agree and also read most of what you said (in a few websites).

That is what i was sort of getting at in my last post, except you said it WAY better lol!

 

[RehabRalphy]

I really wasnt going for the "Whos right Whos wrong" argument lol. I was just trying to post some informational facts. I like spreading information.

Don't get me wrong guys, people are keeping albino lizards in captivity just fine, but to many of them start having health issues.

 

[hoosier]

and (this i'm not sure of) doesn't inbreeding usually have to occur to make albino babies since both parents have to be carriers to produce a baby with actual abinism?

i dont believe that it necessarily inbreeding that causes it. both parents have to be a carrier yes but they can be unrelated aswell. its pretty much like any genetic disorder in humans. unrelated or related the gene can be passed on as long as both parents have the gene.

 

[VARNYARD]

and (this i'm not sure of) doesn't inbreeding usually have to occur to make albino babies since both parents have to be carriers to produce a baby with actual abinism?

i dont believe that it necessarily inbreeding that causes it. both parents have to be a carrier yes but they can be unrelated aswell. its pretty much like any genetic disorder in humans. unrelated or related the gene can be passed on as long as both parents have the gene.

Nice thought Matt, but it is just not true, look at all of the morphs they have made, do you think they were made without inbreeding? Nope they breed siblings to hit those genes.