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Well, all the tegus are gorgeous. As for the bickering. Tup, I will say that people on these forums range in all ages, have less or more of an education in zoology/biology. If you are giving a description on a species to argue your point and people want to understand it you dont have to charge to educate just putting a simple description in parenthesis like (scale below eyeball) would be enough. Also, I believe if you are apart of the scientific community you should educate. Disproving is a very important part of science and arguing your point is too. But you also have to watch how cocky you get and how you go about it and that you may be wrong as well.

As for what you are saying about not being able to identify a species just off coloration (though some subspecies it is possible). You are correct. Theres a lot more to identifying a species besides color. Though some subspecies maybe identifiable using coloration(like some animals are even classified as a subspecies because of different coloration in salivary glands) color (sometimes size and shape too) may just resemble the animals geographic location (area it comes from, locality) though maybe the same species still. I believe that would be called a race?   Though also it could be variablitiy within the species. Kind of like how you could breed 2 garden phase tree boas together and get a clutch with red babies, organe babies, halloweens, etc. all in the same clutch. Theres lots of good examples of how coloration doesnt matter and does support what you are saying to people who arent very scientific. Also, mind you taxonomy is almost always revised/changing and it could even be a new species, or subspecies even, that hasnt been described.

And yes, in a way science can be another language so a brief interpretation would be nice and then people wouldnt really need pictures to know what you are talking about. If you (not just you but anybody) are here just to argue and disprove people so you think you are right and holier than thou, that will not be tollerated. This forum was made to be peaceful and to be unbias to any tegu keeper of any knowledge. So please, if you are going to argue your point, use laymen terms so others can know what you are talking about.   You can argue you're point however watch how you go about it and if you feel it will cause an argument, just let it go. Though, I do agree with you that you cannot judge by color, I do not know much about tegus at all. Pictures do help but yes you would need one from several angles. Mind you, sometimes the only way to positively ID an animal is through DNA. Just remember use it in laymen terms. It will help everybody understand and get along.

-Jon DeLong

<blockquote data-quote="Beazer" data-source="post: 23645" data-attributes="member: 12">Well,&nbsp; all the tegus are gorgeous.&nbsp; As for the bickering.&nbsp; Tup, I will say that people on these forums range in all ages, have less or more of an education in zoology/biology.&nbsp; If you are giving a description on a species to argue your point and people want to understand it you dont have to charge to educate just putting a simple description in parenthesis like (scale below eyeball) would be enough.&nbsp; Also, I believe if you are apart of the scientific community you should educate.&nbsp; Disproving is a very important part of science and arguing your point is too.&nbsp; But you also have to watch how cocky you get and how you go about it and that you may be wrong as well.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; As for what you are saying about not being able to identify a species just off coloration (though some subspecies it is possible).&nbsp; You are correct.&nbsp; Theres a lot more to identifying a species besides color.&nbsp; Though some subspecies maybe identifiable using coloration(like some animals are even classified as a subspecies because of different coloration in salivary glands) color (sometimes size and shape too) may just resemble the animals geographic location (area it comes from, locality) though maybe the same species still.&nbsp; I believe that would be called a race?&nbsp;&nbsp; Though also it could be variablitiy within the species.&nbsp; Kind of like how you could breed 2 garden phase tree boas together and get a clutch with red babies, organe babies, halloweens, etc. all in the same clutch.&nbsp; Theres lots of good examples of how coloration doesnt matter and does support what you are saying to people who arent very scientific. Also, mind you taxonomy is almost always revised/changing and it could even be a new species, or subspecies even, that hasnt been described.&nbsp; &nbsp; And yes, in a way science can be another language so a brief interpretation would be nice and then people wouldnt really need pictures to know what you are talking about.&nbsp; If you (not just you but anybody) are here just to argue and disprove people so you think you are right and holier than thou, that will not be tollerated.&nbsp; &nbsp; This forum was made to be peaceful and to be unbias to any tegu keeper of any knowledge.&nbsp; So please, if you are going to argue your point, use laymen terms so others can know what you are talking about.&nbsp;&nbsp; You can argue you're point however watch how you go about it and if you feel it will cause an argument, just let it go.&nbsp; &nbsp; Though, I do agree with you that you cannot judge by color, I do not know much about tegus at all.&nbsp; Pictures do help but yes you would need one from several angles. Mind you, sometimes the only way to positively ID an animal is through DNA. Just remember use it in laymen terms. It will help everybody understand and get along.&nbsp;&nbsp; -Jon DeLong</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Beazer, post: 23645, member: 12"] Well, all the tegus are gorgeous. As for the bickering. Tup, I will say that people on these forums range in all ages, have less or more of an education in zoology/biology. If you are giving a description on a species to argue your point and people want to understand it you dont have to charge to educate just putting a simple description in parenthesis like (scale below eyeball) would be enough. Also, I believe if you are apart of the scientific community you should educate. Disproving is a very important part of science and arguing your point is too. But you also have to watch how cocky you get and how you go about it and that you may be wrong as well. As for what you are saying about not being able to identify a species just off coloration (though some subspecies it is possible). You are correct. Theres a lot more to identifying a species besides color. Though some subspecies maybe identifiable using coloration(like some animals are even classified as a subspecies because of different coloration in salivary glands) color (sometimes size and shape too) may just resemble the animals geographic location (area it comes from, locality) though maybe the same species still. I believe that would be called a race? Though also it could be variablitiy within the species. Kind of like how you could breed 2 garden phase tree boas together and get a clutch with red babies, organe babies, halloweens, etc. all in the same clutch. Theres lots of good examples of how coloration doesnt matter and does support what you are saying to people who arent very scientific. Also, mind you taxonomy is almost always revised/changing and it could even be a new species, or subspecies even, that hasnt been described. And yes, in a way science can be another language so a brief interpretation would be nice and then people wouldnt really need pictures to know what you are talking about. If you (not just you but anybody) are here just to argue and disprove people so you think you are right and holier than thou, that will not be tollerated. This forum was made to be peaceful and to be unbias to any tegu keeper of any knowledge. So please, if you are going to argue your point, use laymen terms so others can know what you are talking about. You can argue you're point however watch how you go about it and if you feel it will cause an argument, just let it go. Though, I do agree with you that you cannot judge by color, I do not know much about tegus at all. Pictures do help but yes you would need one from several angles. Mind you, sometimes the only way to positively ID an animal is through DNA. Just remember use it in laymen terms. It will help everybody understand and get along. -Jon DeLong [/QUOTE]

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