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Im a little bit tired and just read this thread (not all of it but some).   I kind of have developed an opinion.

   I do not think the government should have its hands on regulating the reptile industry cause they dont know wtf they are doing or how to properly regulate it without getting greedy or out of control. And lets face it, a lot of the herpetologists envolved with government/state stuff are fkin morons. They are usually the outcast of the herp world and their field research only extends to an already over studied species lol.    The permits (for larger species/venomous) would be a good idea, however you give our government an inch and they will take a foot.   I just like being a free American, not a regulated.

A lot of people I know take better care for their reptiles than zoos and have mind blowing set ups.   But thats cause I pick the right crowd (I also tend to avoid herp societies).   Just show somebody a wicked set up and once they see it they want to do it that way.   Sure it wont always work, but if they see that they will see how its fun.   I hate reptile racks (unless for baby snakes) because they are eqivalent to a puppy mill, IMO.

In a way there are too many breeders.... but not too many breeders of most reptile species, if anything there are not enough of a lot of species.   That just feeds the animal planet hype.   There are however too many breeders of reticulated pythons and burmese pythons (though I'm sure those animals markets are slowly crashing). If you are talking about large snakes though, since when have Boelen's pythons, Scrub pythons, Halmahera pythons, True Indian and Sri lankan pythons, etc. been a problem? They even make monitors look like a major problem, but if you take a step back, its mostly just niles and waters.   Most are rarely bred by individuals or farmed. If you look at it, theres just too many breeders of retics and burms (excluding dwarf burms/retics which are generally hybridized by idiots) and ball pythons.   Sure the places might be clean in some facilities, but they are still kept like a puppy mill. And if you get rid of genetic diversity, you end up with deformed animals.

Just lead by example and show people awesome set ups. It might not work on all but it will make people really get an idea.   Thats what got me majorly interested into herps.

-Jon DeLong

<blockquote data-quote="Beazer" data-source="post: 69166" data-attributes="member: 12">Im a little bit tired and just read this thread (not all of it but some).&nbsp;&nbsp; I kind of have developed an opinion.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; I do not think the government should have its hands on regulating the reptile industry cause they dont know wtf they are doing or how to properly regulate it without getting greedy or out of control.&nbsp; &nbsp; And lets face it, a lot of the herpetologists envolved with government/state stuff are fkin morons.&nbsp; They are usually the outcast of the herp world and their field research only extends to an already over studied species lol.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The permits (for larger species/venomous) would be a good idea, however you give our government an inch and they will take a foot.&nbsp;&nbsp; I just like being a free American, not a regulated.&nbsp; &nbsp; A lot of people I know take better care for their reptiles than zoos and have mind blowing set ups.&nbsp;&nbsp; But thats cause I pick the right crowd (I also tend to avoid herp societies).&nbsp;&nbsp; Just show somebody a wicked set up and once they see it they want to do it that way.&nbsp;&nbsp; Sure it wont always work, but if they see that they will see how its fun.&nbsp;&nbsp; I hate reptile racks (unless for baby snakes) because they are eqivalent to a puppy mill, IMO.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; In a way there are too many breeders.... but not too many breeders of most reptile species, if anything there are not enough of a lot of species.&nbsp;&nbsp; That just feeds the animal planet hype.&nbsp;&nbsp; There are however too many breeders of reticulated pythons and burmese pythons (though I'm sure those animals markets are slowly crashing).&nbsp; If you are talking about large snakes though, since when have Boelen's pythons, Scrub pythons, Halmahera pythons, True Indian and Sri lankan pythons, etc.&nbsp; been a problem?&nbsp; They even make monitors look like a major problem, but if you take a step back, its mostly just niles and waters.&nbsp;&nbsp; Most are rarely bred by individuals or farmed.&nbsp; If you look at it,&nbsp; theres just too many breeders of retics and burms (excluding dwarf burms/retics which are generally hybridized by idiots) and ball pythons.&nbsp;&nbsp; Sure the places might be clean in some facilities, but they are still kept like a puppy mill.&nbsp; And if you get rid of genetic diversity, you end up with deformed animals.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Just lead by example and show people awesome set ups.&nbsp; It might not work on all but it will make people really get an idea.&nbsp;&nbsp; Thats what got me majorly interested into herps.&nbsp;&nbsp; -Jon DeLong</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Beazer, post: 69166, member: 12"] Im a little bit tired and just read this thread (not all of it but some). I kind of have developed an opinion. I do not think the government should have its hands on regulating the reptile industry cause they dont know wtf they are doing or how to properly regulate it without getting greedy or out of control. And lets face it, a lot of the herpetologists envolved with government/state stuff are fkin morons. They are usually the outcast of the herp world and their field research only extends to an already over studied species lol. The permits (for larger species/venomous) would be a good idea, however you give our government an inch and they will take a foot. I just like being a free American, not a regulated. A lot of people I know take better care for their reptiles than zoos and have mind blowing set ups. But thats cause I pick the right crowd (I also tend to avoid herp societies). Just show somebody a wicked set up and once they see it they want to do it that way. Sure it wont always work, but if they see that they will see how its fun. I hate reptile racks (unless for baby snakes) because they are eqivalent to a puppy mill, IMO. In a way there are too many breeders.... but not too many breeders of most reptile species, if anything there are not enough of a lot of species. That just feeds the animal planet hype. There are however too many breeders of reticulated pythons and burmese pythons (though I'm sure those animals markets are slowly crashing). If you are talking about large snakes though, since when have Boelen's pythons, Scrub pythons, Halmahera pythons, True Indian and Sri lankan pythons, etc. been a problem? They even make monitors look like a major problem, but if you take a step back, its mostly just niles and waters. Most are rarely bred by individuals or farmed. If you look at it, theres just too many breeders of retics and burms (excluding dwarf burms/retics which are generally hybridized by idiots) and ball pythons. Sure the places might be clean in some facilities, but they are still kept like a puppy mill. And if you get rid of genetic diversity, you end up with deformed animals. Just lead by example and show people awesome set ups. It might not work on all but it will make people really get an idea. Thats what got me majorly interested into herps. -Jon DeLong [/QUOTE]

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