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Couldn't have said it better myself Stef, education is definitely the key. And for the experienced hobbyists especially, it may be difficult at times but just be patient with new owners and dont act like you are better.   We all started somewhere.   Use your education for good and not to put down. And for the novice, bitching doesnt help either though I understand the frustration, its better to focus on a good solution.

   Once these animals are regulated and you realize you are turned down for every permit application because you have time to take care of the animals but DO NOT have enough time to take them to do educational shows or not enough money to open a zoo/rescue then you will REALLY have something to complain about. Also the captive conservation efforts by private breeders will drop if they become regulated (zoos really do not accomplish as much as private collectors when it comes to reptiles), which some species depend on them.

   I just wish people would look at the argument that PETA and w/e are trying to use for placing restrictions/bans on reptiles. They are only using a handful of species that are mass produced and making it look like the thousands of species of herps are all bred out of control.   Humans are the most invasive and bred out of control species.

Quick funny story for when I worked at a petshop. PETA lady comes in.   Freaking out about a baby tortoise that flipped over and I said it will correct itself.   Saying Im an animal abuser and the place should be shut down. So I told her to shut up and watch the miracles of nature.   Sure enough, with a little bit of struggle, the tortoise flipped itself over. If it was truly in a sticky situation then sure Id flip it.   Then I explained to her if the babies couldnt flip themselves then all the little tortoises would be extinct. After that she said she wished she could take all the animals and just let them go outside to be free, so I began to explain the impact on native wildlife and environment, etc.   lol.   Its sad cause its really the uneducated non-hobbyists who tripped out a bit too much on E or people who still feel that snakes are evil cause it says so in the bible (though it said snake like, not that it infact was a snake but probably more meant smooth, sly, cunning, etc.).

But yeah, not that I am saying to do it, but it would be slightly awesome if you went straight to the source and called out the snake mill people (big time morph breeders) on some forums, lol.

-Jon DeLong

<blockquote data-quote="Beazer" data-source="post: 69174" data-attributes="member: 12">Couldn't have said it better myself Stef,&nbsp; education is definitely the key.&nbsp; And for the experienced hobbyists especially, it may be difficult at times but just be patient with new owners and dont act like you are better.&nbsp;&nbsp; We all started somewhere.&nbsp;&nbsp; Use your education for good and not to put down.&nbsp; And for the novice, bitching doesnt help either though I understand the frustration, its better to focus on a good solution. &nbsp;&nbsp; Once these animals are regulated and you realize you are turned down for every permit application because you have time to take care of the animals but DO NOT have enough time to take them to do educational shows or not enough money to open a zoo/rescue then you will REALLY have something to complain about.&nbsp; Also the captive conservation efforts by private breeders will drop if they become regulated (zoos really do not accomplish as much as private collectors when it comes to reptiles), which some species depend on them.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; I just wish people would look at the argument that PETA and w/e are trying to use for placing restrictions/bans on reptiles.&nbsp; &nbsp; They are only using a handful of species that are mass produced and making it look like the thousands of species of herps are all bred out of control.&nbsp;&nbsp; Humans are the most invasive and bred out of control species.&nbsp; &nbsp; Quick funny story for when I worked at a petshop.&nbsp; PETA lady comes in.&nbsp;&nbsp; Freaking out about a baby tortoise that flipped over and I said it will correct itself.&nbsp;&nbsp; Saying Im an animal abuser and the place should be shut down.&nbsp; So I told her to shut up and watch the miracles of nature.&nbsp;&nbsp; Sure enough, with a little bit of struggle, the tortoise flipped itself over.&nbsp; If it was truly in a sticky situation then sure Id flip it.&nbsp;&nbsp; Then I explained to her if the babies couldnt flip themselves then all the little tortoises would be extinct.&nbsp; After that she said she wished she could take all the animals and just let them go outside to be free, so I began to explain the impact on native wildlife and environment, etc.&nbsp;&nbsp; lol.&nbsp;&nbsp; Its sad cause its really the uneducated non-hobbyists who tripped out a bit too much on E or people who still feel that snakes are evil cause it says so in the bible (though it said snake like, not that it infact was a snake but probably more meant smooth, sly, cunning, etc.).&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; But yeah, not that I am saying to do it, but it would be slightly awesome if you went straight to the source and called out the snake mill people (big time morph breeders) on some forums, lol. -Jon DeLong</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Beazer, post: 69174, member: 12"] Couldn't have said it better myself Stef, education is definitely the key. And for the experienced hobbyists especially, it may be difficult at times but just be patient with new owners and dont act like you are better. We all started somewhere. Use your education for good and not to put down. And for the novice, bitching doesnt help either though I understand the frustration, its better to focus on a good solution. Once these animals are regulated and you realize you are turned down for every permit application because you have time to take care of the animals but DO NOT have enough time to take them to do educational shows or not enough money to open a zoo/rescue then you will REALLY have something to complain about. Also the captive conservation efforts by private breeders will drop if they become regulated (zoos really do not accomplish as much as private collectors when it comes to reptiles), which some species depend on them. I just wish people would look at the argument that PETA and w/e are trying to use for placing restrictions/bans on reptiles. They are only using a handful of species that are mass produced and making it look like the thousands of species of herps are all bred out of control. Humans are the most invasive and bred out of control species. Quick funny story for when I worked at a petshop. PETA lady comes in. Freaking out about a baby tortoise that flipped over and I said it will correct itself. Saying Im an animal abuser and the place should be shut down. So I told her to shut up and watch the miracles of nature. Sure enough, with a little bit of struggle, the tortoise flipped itself over. If it was truly in a sticky situation then sure Id flip it. Then I explained to her if the babies couldnt flip themselves then all the little tortoises would be extinct. After that she said she wished she could take all the animals and just let them go outside to be free, so I began to explain the impact on native wildlife and environment, etc. lol. Its sad cause its really the uneducated non-hobbyists who tripped out a bit too much on E or people who still feel that snakes are evil cause it says so in the bible (though it said snake like, not that it infact was a snake but probably more meant smooth, sly, cunning, etc.). But yeah, not that I am saying to do it, but it would be slightly awesome if you went straight to the source and called out the snake mill people (big time morph breeders) on some forums, lol. -Jon DeLong [/QUOTE]

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