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I think everyone took what Chuey, my fiance, said out of context and maybe he made a typo or two in that last quoted sentence. Chuey definitely is NOT supporting a ban on exotics because we for one have: 1 tegu, 2 bearded dragons, a jungle carpet python, a king snake, chinchillas, ferrets, and a chuckwalla. He was even going to let me get a False Water Cobra until I asked the NJ government to clarify their rules on rear-fanged snakes and they now say "ALL rear-fanged snakes are illegal."

I think the bottom line of his statement is that somewhere along the way SOME people who love these animals that they breed were transformed by money into something else. By no means is he accusing anyone on this site specifically of doing so, or Varnyard. In fact, Varnyard is the "ideal" sort of breeder, being available to help anyone learn the husbandry of tegus. However, at reptile shows, you'll notice that several breeders will sell you anything you want without blinking an eye. Do they even care that someone they sold it to may NOT have an idea of how to take care of it? That they might NOT have done their research?

Yes, everyone on this site is here because they WANT to learn more about the species that they possess or are just genuinely interested in reptiles. That can't be said for all reptile owners. Personally, I do not think that some species are overbred per se, and I am not even against playing with the genes to get morphs. My only thing is that breeders should care where their animals are going, and make sure that the person at least seems knowledgeable and has a proper setup for the animal that they are going to take on.

I think in Chuey's last quoted comment, he was more or less saying that the more exotic the animal is, the more costly and difficult it is to raise. Before you buy, know that you can take care of it first. Alternatively and along the same lines, many breeders must know or have "gut feelings" about people and sell to them anyway. That would be like having a baby, and adopting them out to just anyone. The government generally regulates who can adopt.

However, it is also very different in applying the case of the government to the case of reptiles. Let's face it, the government seems to be against reptile ownership and if you give them an inch they will take a mile! It doesn't operate with reason, it operates on sensationalism, similar to the python hunting that's occurring in the Everglades. If the government could act rationally, then I would be all for having to take a course to get a permit to possess the type of animal that I desire.

So, all in all, please don't misconstrue the purpose of this post. If anything, it was a venting session (on Chuey's part) about all the irresponsible pet owners out there who don't take the best care of their animals, and all the breeders out there who sell to people like that without doing a little bit of prescreening.

And yes - PETA is evil and half of the reason we have so many threats to reptile ownership today. They are just so extremist and ridiculous.

<blockquote data-quote="ashesc212" data-source="post: 69220" data-attributes="member: 548">I think everyone took what Chuey, my fiance, said out of context and maybe he made a typo or two in that last quoted sentence.&nbsp; Chuey definitely is NOT supporting a ban on exotics because we for one have: 1 tegu, 2 bearded dragons, a jungle carpet python, a king snake, chinchillas, ferrets, and a chuckwalla.&nbsp; He was even going to let me get a False Water Cobra until I asked the NJ government to clarify their rules on rear-fanged snakes and they now say &quot;ALL rear-fanged snakes are illegal.&quot;&nbsp; I think the bottom line of his statement is that somewhere along the way SOME people who love these animals that they breed were transformed by money into something else.&nbsp; By no means is he accusing anyone on this site specifically of doing so, or Varnyard.&nbsp; In fact, Varnyard is the &quot;ideal&quot; sort of breeder, being available to help anyone learn the husbandry of tegus.&nbsp; However, at reptile shows, you'll notice that several breeders will sell you anything you want without blinking an eye.&nbsp; Do they even care that someone they sold it to may NOT have an idea of how to take care of it?&nbsp; That they might NOT have done their research?Yes, everyone on this site is here because they WANT to learn more about the species that they possess or are just genuinely interested in reptiles.&nbsp; That can't be said for all reptile owners.&nbsp; Personally, I do not think that some species are overbred per se, and I am not even against playing with the genes to get morphs.&nbsp; My only thing is that breeders should care where their animals are going, and make sure that the person at least seems knowledgeable and has a proper setup for the animal that they are going to take on.&nbsp; I think in Chuey's last quoted comment, he was more or less saying that the more exotic the animal is, the more costly and difficult it is to raise.&nbsp; Before you buy, know that you can take care of it first.&nbsp; Alternatively and along the same lines, many breeders must know or have &quot;gut feelings&quot; about people and sell to them anyway.&nbsp; That would be like having a baby, and adopting them out to just anyone.&nbsp; The government generally regulates who can adopt.&nbsp; However, it is also very different in applying the case of the government to the case of reptiles.&nbsp; Let's face it, the government seems to be against reptile ownership and if you give them an inch they will take a mile!&nbsp; It doesn't operate with reason, it operates on sensationalism, similar to the python hunting that's occurring in the Everglades.&nbsp; If the government could act rationally, then I would be all for having to take a course to get a permit to possess the type of animal that I desire.&nbsp; So, all in all, please don't misconstrue the purpose of this post.&nbsp; If anything, it was a venting session (on Chuey's part) about all the irresponsible pet owners out there who don't take the best care of their animals, and all the breeders out there who sell to people like that without doing a little bit of prescreening.And yes - PETA is evil and half of the reason we have so many threats to reptile ownership today.&nbsp; They are just so extremist and ridiculous.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ashesc212, post: 69220, member: 548"] I think everyone took what Chuey, my fiance, said out of context and maybe he made a typo or two in that last quoted sentence. Chuey definitely is NOT supporting a ban on exotics because we for one have: 1 tegu, 2 bearded dragons, a jungle carpet python, a king snake, chinchillas, ferrets, and a chuckwalla. He was even going to let me get a False Water Cobra until I asked the NJ government to clarify their rules on rear-fanged snakes and they now say "ALL rear-fanged snakes are illegal." I think the bottom line of his statement is that somewhere along the way SOME people who love these animals that they breed were transformed by money into something else. By no means is he accusing anyone on this site specifically of doing so, or Varnyard. In fact, Varnyard is the "ideal" sort of breeder, being available to help anyone learn the husbandry of tegus. However, at reptile shows, you'll notice that several breeders will sell you anything you want without blinking an eye. Do they even care that someone they sold it to may NOT have an idea of how to take care of it? That they might NOT have done their research? Yes, everyone on this site is here because they WANT to learn more about the species that they possess or are just genuinely interested in reptiles. That can't be said for all reptile owners. Personally, I do not think that some species are overbred per se, and I am not even against playing with the genes to get morphs. My only thing is that breeders should care where their animals are going, and make sure that the person at least seems knowledgeable and has a proper setup for the animal that they are going to take on. I think in Chuey's last quoted comment, he was more or less saying that the more exotic the animal is, the more costly and difficult it is to raise. Before you buy, know that you can take care of it first. Alternatively and along the same lines, many breeders must know or have "gut feelings" about people and sell to them anyway. That would be like having a baby, and adopting them out to just anyone. The government generally regulates who can adopt. However, it is also very different in applying the case of the government to the case of reptiles. Let's face it, the government seems to be against reptile ownership and if you give them an inch they will take a mile! It doesn't operate with reason, it operates on sensationalism, similar to the python hunting that's occurring in the Everglades. If the government could act rationally, then I would be all for having to take a course to get a permit to possess the type of animal that I desire. So, all in all, please don't misconstrue the purpose of this post. If anything, it was a venting session (on Chuey's part) about all the irresponsible pet owners out there who don't take the best care of their animals, and all the breeders out there who sell to people like that without doing a little bit of prescreening. And yes - PETA is evil and half of the reason we have so many threats to reptile ownership today. They are just so extremist and ridiculous. [/QUOTE]

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