uvb question??

[Adzi]

Just a quick question, i think i read somewhere that moniters and tegus dont actully need uvb lighting??

is that true because i dont think it is??

thanks

adam

 

[cabral]

this is not true

tegus and monitors do require uv , if u dont provide your tegus or monitors with this there is a great chance ur tegus and monitors get metabolic bone disease

 

[DaveDragon]

As they are growing, yes they do need it. As adults, I've heard it isn't necessary, but I'd give them some anyway, even if it's going outside 2 or 3 times per week for an hour.

 

[Ratchet]

UVB is provided through mice so once a monitor gets old enough it doesnt need it anymore...same for a tegu once they reach adulthood they don't need uvb and giving it to them anyways can also lead to MBD...too much d3 isnt good...i actually kow of people who dust their animals food with D3 and calcium instead of UVB lighting and they say it works just fine for them(mainly monitors not recommended for you tegus)

 

[Red Earth Exotics]

UVB is provided through mice so once a monitor gets old enough it doesnt need it anymore...same for a tegu once they reach adulthood they don't need uvb and giving it to them anyways can also lead to MBD...

Wrong.

 

[Ratchet]

D3 coems from UVB...many people don't use them when they are adults...so i'm NOT wrong its just NOT smart...its also taken out of context..using both D3 powder and UVB can lead to MBD =.=

 

[Red Earth Exotics]

uvb does not come from mice.


uvb does not give them mbd

 

[DaveDragon]

Metabolic bone disease (MBD) is an umbrella term that covers a number of disorders related to the weakening of the bone or impaired systems function caused by an imbalance in vitamin D3, calcium and phosphorus. This imbalance may be caused by a lack of or too much of one of these three essential elements or the failure to provide one or more of them in a bioavailable form. Many foods highly touted for their calcium content, such as spinach, carrots, collards, chards and other thick leafy greens, contain calcium oxalates that bind calcium. This renders most or all dietary calcium, both that contained in the foods and that added to the foods as supplements, unavailable for maintenance and growth, depending on the quantities ingested.

Quite simply stated, vitamin D3 (dietary or derived from exposure to ultraviolet B), calcium (dietary and matter recycled from the bone matrix) and phosphorus (dietary) interact together to perform a number of functions besides bone growth and maintenance, including muscle contractions and blood coagulation. The result is a well-functioning system, with calcium restored to and, in the case of growing animals, added to the bone matrix. Too much phosphorus can throw this process off, as can too much or too little vitamin D3 or too little access to ultraviolet B wavelengths. As the dangers of calcium deficiency become more widely known, there is increased risk that pet owners may add too much calcium to their reptile's diet. This results in hypercalcemia, a condition as fraught with peril as is hypocalcemia. To date, however, hypercalcemia is quite rare, occurring most often in healthy gravid iguanas in which such a state is desirable for the health of the female and the developing embryos (see the article on dystocia).

Signs of metabolic bone disease include hard knobs in the long bones of the legs, bumps along the vertebral column of the back and tail, bilateral softening or hard swelling of the lower jaw, and softening of the plastron or carapace. All of these signs may be felt before they can be seen, making a careful physical exam important. Visible signs of moderate to severe MBD include jerky gait when walking, repeated tremors and twitches in the limbs and muscles of the legs and toes when at rest, and shakiness when being held. (The occasional single myoclonic jerk that happens is not considered indicative of MBD.)

Advanced cases of MBD include all the above signs plus constipation, anorexia and fractured bones. Severely deficient reptiles tend to be lethargic and may only be able to drag themselves along the ground. Arboreal lizards spend all of their time on the ground as they lack the strength to grip and climb.

Moderate to severe cases of MBD require the proper diet, temperatures, and light wavelengths as well as a more powerful calcium supplement than those found in pet stores. Oral administration of calcium glubionate (NeoCalgluconÃ?â??Ã?®, 1cc/kg PO bid prn) or injections of calcium lactate (CalphosanÃ?â??Ã?®, 250 mg/kg IV/IM, bid) or calcium gluconate (100 mg/kg IM qid prn) are generally prescribed by veterinarians. Mader (1993) reports faster recovery with calcitonin (CalcimarÃ?â??Ã?®, MiacalcinÃ?â??Ã?®, 50 IU/kg IM in front leg, repeated once a week for two weeks) when it is administered to iguanas who have been returned to normal serum calcium levels. Use of calcitonin before normal levels have been established, however, may cause hypocalcemic tetany and death. Mild cases, cases where the signs are felt or just barely visible, may successfully be treated by providing the proper environment and diet. In the case of diurnal lizards and chelonians, proper environment includes not only the proper temperature ranges and diet, but daily access to ultraviolet B wavelengths.

There remains much debate as to the necessity of and efficacy of natural and artificially produced ultraviolet B wavelengths in the development of precursors to vitamin D3 and the metabolism of calcium. Gehrmann (1991) reports anecdotally that not all lizards require UVB to maintain proper D3-calcium-phosphorus balance. Bernard, et al. (1991) found that the green iguana (Iguana iguana) fared much better when exposed to ultraviolet B wavelengths than they did to vitamin D3 injections or supplements added to their food. As both ultraviolet A, which acts upon appetite and behavior, and ultraviolet B wavelengths are more likely to benefit lizards and chelonians than not, long daily periods of access to such wavelengths should be considered a necessary part of the care of diurnal lizards and all chelonians (Alberts, 1994), and should figure as a prominent part in the daily care and maintenance of reptiles who commonly suffer from MBD in captivity, such as the green iguana.

Along with proper day and night temperature gradients and a nighttime dark period of sufficient length (based on native habitat), proper diet is essential to recovery. Herbivores and omnivores should be fed calcium-rich, nutrient dense foods such as squashes, green beans, alfalfa (from alfalfa powder, crushed alfalfa tablets, alfalfa tea, or softened rabbit food pellets or pulverized hay cubes), parsnips, mustard greens, dandelions, escarole, and fruits such as figs, papaya, cantaloupe and berries (Barten, 1993; Frye, 1991). The food should be supplemented with additional calcium and a multivitamin formulated for reptiles or birds, or a crushed Centrum vitamin tablet formulated for humans (Donoghue, 1996). Omnivores and carnivores should be fed whole captive bred prey (to reduce the risk of zoonotic infection from parasites commonly found in wild prey) that have been raised on nutritious foods or have been gut loaded with nutritious foods for several days before being fed out.

Ref. http://www.anapsid.org/mbd.html

 

[Ratchet]

uvb does not come from mice.


uvb does not give them mbd

DUH UVb doesnt come from mice and thats not what i said...once again OUT OF CONTEXT...D3 comes from UVB and also comes from mice...NOT Ultra Violet rays come mice thats just stupid...the Vitamin D3 does...and too much d3 can contribute to D3...thanks DAve for the clarification

 

[rrcoolj]

If you want really detailed and good study on uvb check out this sight

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It will tell you everything you need to know and then some. I learned a ton!

 

[Red Earth Exotics]

UVB is provided through mice

say what you mean, mean what you say...

 

[Ratchet]

D3 coems from UVB...

first sentence...i made a mistake..sheesh...i meant D3

 

[Red Earth Exotics]

i know that, but some people might not. that's why i said it was wrong. i would hate for some new guy to read that and then just feed mice and take away the uvb light. don't be so defensive.

 

[GOT_TEGUS]

i know that, but some people might not. that's why i said it was wrong. i would hate for some new guy to read that and then just feed mice and take away the uvb light. don't be so defensive.

awesome Guys :-D NOTE new members you need uvb/uva light to keep your tegu healthy and happy.

 

[Toby_H]

According to Bobby Hill (Owner/Breeder of VarnYard Tegus) Vitamin D3 supplements are not an acceptable replacement for UVB :

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Be careful whose advice you trust

 

[CaterpillarGiraffe]

Yeah, D3 isn't a substitute at all for UVB lighting, as Bobby has preaches 300 times. Some people still don't seem to understand it.

If you have an animal that say doesn't use UVB, like a Leopard Gecko. Never give D3 in it's calcium, because it's got no UVB to process it.