What would be the best combination ?

[JohnMatthew]

Well, not all albino types are compatible, at least in the ball python word. I'd imagine the same would hold true for tegus. If you bred lavender albino x albino ball pythons you'd only get normal looking hets. The only way this pairing would produce visuals and hets would be if one or the other parent was also a carrier of the other parent's albino type(ie, the albino is also het for lavender albino).

 

[Bubblz Calhoun]

If only genetics were simple then it would be that easy but that's not the case. Even with two visual albinos the type has to be the same or it's not compatible, so you get hets. You can have a het or two that carries both genes for albino, breed them together and you should get more hets and different visuals for each type.

So you can still get normal looking hets from breeding a pair of visual albinos.

There's the basics to genetics that most people know and there's a wide spectrum that few to no one knows about. That usually throws a wrench in what's expected to happen.

 

[TegusRawsome80]

Prove to me that there's 2 types of albino tegus. All the albino tegus come from the original few that came from Ron St. Pierre. That is ONE type. If you look at albino ball pythons, they range in shade in normal albinos, from really faded to high contrast. The same holds true for tegus. This is a simple issue of genetics. It is one type of albino, and there is no reason to believe that there are multiple types of albinos.

 

[monstruo-the-tegu]

this is very confusing

 

[Bubblz Calhoun]

[size=small]Google albino tegu and look at the different pics for yourself. If genetics are as simple, cut and dry as you say they are then it should be the same from one animal to the next. Therefore if there are different types of albinism in humans and other animals then why not tegus?

Just because you haven't seen it or may not be able to recognize the differences between the two (which it's not always easy) doesn't mean they don't exist.

For Ty Neg Albinos they should be primarily yellow / orangish and white with red to pinkish eyes, since they lack pigmentation. Ty Pos Albinos on the other hand have some pigmentation, from greyish purple to almost black.
Which reminds me of the red albinos someone hatched a while back. Can't wait to see what those look like as they mature.

There's probably not enough being bred or even available to find out if they're compatible or not, making them the same type or different. Since some people don't agree with breeding albino animals that require UVB for health reasons.

As for where they came from, he may have been the first to procure or produce one but we don't know exactly what genes any of our tegus are carrying. Until they're bred and something different pops up.

I use to feel the same way you do,.. until I did my research.[/size]

 

[laurarfl]

http://www.vmsherp.com/LCChromatophores.htm

 

[got10]

The best two types of tegus to breed together is Male and Female ..nuff said

 

[Thumper]

Genetics is not always just as simple as recessive and dominant traits. I was recently reading about how there are three different genes involved in blue eyes in humans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_color. That is not exactly what my high school biology teacher taught me.

One thing I've been saying is that blues and black and whites are both tupinambis marianae and considered the same species.

 

[Bntegus]

tegusrawsome80 has hit the nail on the head. also there has been talking about people breeding wc in this post what is wrong with that you want new lines thats were there going to come from not some breeder with hold backs just my 2 cents.

 

[TegusRawsome80]

All the albino tegus I have been able to find are similar looking. They all DO have some pigmentation. For example look at these links. http://www.bayareareptiles.com/MonitorsandTegus/TeguAlbino_ShowPiece1.jpg
http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/89386IMGP0073.JPG
http://media.photobucket.com/image/albino%20tegu/Sylviasravenwolfe/Animal%20Photography/Reptiles/albinotegucloser.jpg
All different shades with varying levels and colors of pigments. Now compare to this:
http://www.myballpython.com/assets/images/otherimages/albinofaded.jpg
http://www.ballpythonaddiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/albino03.jpg
http://www.for-goodness-snakes.com/images/ball_albino.jpg
These are all albino ball pythons, but their coloration differs just like the tegus. If you bred any of those BPs together, you would get all albinos still. The parents are just different shades. It is the same with the tegus.

 

[Gedy]

I have to study a lot of genetics in animals, but we don't get to study a lot about repitle genetics unfortunatly.
I can't realy tell from the pictures, but do the have red eyes ? If not, it could be like genetics in cats/rabbits , where you have multiple genes to dertermine the collor like Thumper said.
But still two albino's only produce albino's because the lack of all other involving genes for collor. Unless there are some mutations but that are very rare cases.
I definitaly don't want to breed albino's, and its not possible to get albino's with my b&w.

 

[Bubblz Calhoun]

[size=small]What would be considered T-Albinos, the original pics are also on google.

http://www.thetegu.com/showthread.php?10066-Sorry-but-I-m-speechless-and-I-must-share-why&highlight=albino+tegu

There are a couple videos of males on you tube but it's hard to tell which one they might be T+/- Albinos because of the lights. But here's one of them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je-79yzcMKs

As for Bps

Albinos (T-)
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?144604-Albino

Lavender Albinos (also T- but not compatible with regular albinos)
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?144614-Lavender-Albino

Caramel Albinos (T+ some strains are also not compatible)
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?144610-Caramel-Albino

Paradox Albino Pied (Not a specific type of albino but gives you an idea of how things change,.. genetics are not just straight forward, black and white.)
http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1963905%2C1964110

That's just a few Bps and Tegus, the colors change even more from one reptile to the next. [/size]

 

[laurarfl]

[size=small]What would be considered T-Albinos, the original pics are also on google.

http://www.thetegu.com/showthread.php?10066-Sorry-but-I-m-speechless-and-I-must-share-why&highlight=albino+tegu

There are a couple videos of males on you tube but it's hard to tell which one they might be T+/- Albinos because of the lights. But here's one of them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je-79yzcMKs

Yes!!! This would be a true albino as defined by most standards: a lack of dark pigmentation, including the eyes. The result is a white animal with red/pink eyes. These albino tegus are the closest to that definition because they lack ANY MARKINGS.

Other tegus were labelled as snow by I think Ron St Pierre back in 200.....6? I think this is what is being called albino now. They have the dark pattern of a tegu, but subdued in varying degrees. Wouldn't that technically be hypomelanistic? I have seen some that look hypo with dark eyes and some with red eyes. I have seen some that look like someone photoshopped a big red eye in there to make it look albino-esque, lol.

For the record, I don't think the hypo tegus are any less valuable or less attractive, but I do think the labeling needs to be clearer. In the end, the breeder and consumer just need to be aware of what they want and how to get it.

I don't think one can discuss BP and tegus in the same genetics conversation, really. Some generalities exist, but it gets confusing when certain topics do not apply. And when you get into corn snake genetics, many breeders do not even use the term albino and go with the more correct amelanistic.

Learning about genetics (or anything), has a bit of a learning curve. It is definitely not my strong point. When I had to take it at U of FL, it was my 8am class, so the class I was least likely to attend, lol. But when learning it in high school, the teachers just give you the basic info. Most people really don't need much more than that in their lifetime.

 

[TegusRawsome80]

Thanks, I know what different MORPHS of ball pythons look like. In every single one of those tegus with the possible exception of the one in the thread at the show, I see some form of dark pigment, just a different shade.

 

[Bubblz Calhoun]

[size=small]The first two have no dark pigment, dark pigment in T+ Albinos can look normal from purplish grey to blood red. Which neither one of those first two have. They're more on the yellow, pinkish or orangey (not a word) side like the Bps you posted that are compatible. Therefore they would or actually could be T-Albinos. There's only one way to find out if they are compatible with Albino Tegus that have darker pigmentation and that's to breed a pair.

You compared the two your self when you said;[/size]

Prove to me that there's 2 types of albino tegus. All the albino tegus come from the original few that came from Ron St. Pierre. That is ONE type. If you look at albino ball pythons, they range in shade in normal albinos, from really faded to high contrast. The same holds true for tegus. This is a simple issue of genetics. It is one type of albino, and there is no reason to believe that there are multiple types of albinos.

[size=small]So once again, if the same holds true for Bps and Tegus (which you said) then why wouldn't there be more than one type of Albino Tegu? No matter what type the shade and colors will vary, in no way does that make them (T+/-) the same. Even when shown proof of there being different types of Albinism and how they're not compatible. Meaning if you breed two visual albinos of different types you get normal looking hets,... you still deny it. Where did the logic go?

All the Bps you posted were T- albinos (compatible for mating) and the Tegus could be T+. You said all the tegus you found were similar so I posted a couple that are not.

Can one of the Mods split this into a new thread,.. it's definitely gone in a different direction from the Ops question. [/size]

 

[TegusRawsome80]

If the tegus show any sort of dark pigment, they are the same type of albino, and in my opinion all of these tegus do have a type of dark pigment.