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here is the response I got emailed by this person
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This burns me up!!
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lol i woulda thought this guy was a kid. Dang.
Here was his repond to me.
"yeah i suppose in the wild people kill tegu's food all the time ? WRONG learn facts :THEY ARE BUILT TO KILL THEY HUNT AND THEY KILL THATS WHY THEY ARE KNOWN AS CARNIVORES AT A YOUNG AGE . ONE OTHER THING JUMBO RATS ,OR MICE IF IT EATS IT,IT LIKES IT THINK WOULD THE TEGU GO RUNNING INTO A FIRE ? NO BECAUSE IT DOESNT LIKE IT!!!! IT ATE THE RATS BECAUSE IT WANTED TOO I DIDNT FORCE IT. LEARN FACTS IN THE WILD THEY EAT WHAT EVER THEY CAN TO SURVIVE .... SO THINK AM I WRONG FOR MAKING THERE SURROUNDING AND HABITATS LIKE THE WILD? OR ARE U SICK FOR MAKING IT THERE LITLE WONDER LAND WHERE EVERY THINGS PERFECT UNLIKE REALITY?"
im sure he was a little angry by the time he got to me. lol. here was my responce back but i honestly doubt he'll read it all.
"lol. what an utter moron. thers a difference btween the proper live and dead prey to feed your tegu. i could give a **** less wether you wanna risk seriuous injuries to your tegu over live feeders. But honestly keep it appropriate sized. Giving rats that damn big is just ridicuos. You seem to keep going on to everyone about the wild. Your tegu isnt in the wild dumbass. Many of todays tegus are mellowed out from captive breeding. Yes, the instincts are still there. But then again a tegus insincts would keep it away form prey that large. It might go after the young of those mice but it would avoid haveing a needless battle with prey the same size as it.
id not like you give a ****. I'm well aware of this
But I still will speak.
You yourself even stated that a tegu would not run into a fire fire cause it doesnt like itwell they wouldnt hunt out prey that large. You could have been starving your tegu. Or it could just be that prey items coming onto its teritory triggered a fight repsonse. Which is only natural really. I personally do care for all my reptiles like captives. They are my pets, my family. but I know many many keepers who opt for a close as wild experince for their animals as possible. They still wont ricsk their lives over somehting as pitiful as that. Your not wrong for wanting the natural feel for your tegu, but you fail at basic husbantry and care. All your doing is a less knwon form of animal abuse, your the reason many states have restricted reptile keeping.
lol also. High "Fur" contents doesnt bother a tegu or any other rodent eating lizard in the least. Thats the way they are made. Now beardies and other lizards cant handle fur but tegus cant. You should have gone with high fat content if you wanted to make your argument plausible.
Also, sure your tegu will be your baby, trust me, some of the poeple your aruging to have alot tamer and ncier tegus than you. And alot healthier tegus as well. Most of their tegus will not only run off when left out of the cage but walk happily past food to get attneition from their owners. Learn a bit more befor you speak. Like the fact that adult tegus arent carnivorus. Only the columbian species are. Argentine species are in fact omnivours and throughly enjoy a diet of both meat and fruits.
Not much to say as I dont belive you'll even read all of this. Its kinda sad that a 16 yr old girl can talk circles aorund you in a debate like this. Have a nice day.
Nochii
ps. one more thing, tokays live throughout india to new guinea, tegus argentina-columbia, they would never even meet eachother in the wild. lol."
Here was his repond to me.
"yeah i suppose in the wild people kill tegu's food all the time ? WRONG learn facts :THEY ARE BUILT TO KILL THEY HUNT AND THEY KILL THATS WHY THEY ARE KNOWN AS CARNIVORES AT A YOUNG AGE . ONE OTHER THING JUMBO RATS ,OR MICE IF IT EATS IT,IT LIKES IT THINK WOULD THE TEGU GO RUNNING INTO A FIRE ? NO BECAUSE IT DOESNT LIKE IT!!!! IT ATE THE RATS BECAUSE IT WANTED TOO I DIDNT FORCE IT. LEARN FACTS IN THE WILD THEY EAT WHAT EVER THEY CAN TO SURVIVE .... SO THINK AM I WRONG FOR MAKING THERE SURROUNDING AND HABITATS LIKE THE WILD? OR ARE U SICK FOR MAKING IT THERE LITLE WONDER LAND WHERE EVERY THINGS PERFECT UNLIKE REALITY?"
im sure he was a little angry by the time he got to me. lol. here was my responce back but i honestly doubt he'll read it all.
"lol. what an utter moron. thers a difference btween the proper live and dead prey to feed your tegu. i could give a **** less wether you wanna risk seriuous injuries to your tegu over live feeders. But honestly keep it appropriate sized. Giving rats that damn big is just ridicuos. You seem to keep going on to everyone about the wild. Your tegu isnt in the wild dumbass. Many of todays tegus are mellowed out from captive breeding. Yes, the instincts are still there. But then again a tegus insincts would keep it away form prey that large. It might go after the young of those mice but it would avoid haveing a needless battle with prey the same size as it.
id not like you give a ****. I'm well aware of this
But I still will speak.
You yourself even stated that a tegu would not run into a fire fire cause it doesnt like itwell they wouldnt hunt out prey that large. You could have been starving your tegu. Or it could just be that prey items coming onto its teritory triggered a fight repsonse. Which is only natural really. I personally do care for all my reptiles like captives. They are my pets, my family. but I know many many keepers who opt for a close as wild experince for their animals as possible. They still wont ricsk their lives over somehting as pitiful as that. Your not wrong for wanting the natural feel for your tegu, but you fail at basic husbantry and care. All your doing is a less knwon form of animal abuse, your the reason many states have restricted reptile keeping.
lol also. High "Fur" contents doesnt bother a tegu or any other rodent eating lizard in the least. Thats the way they are made. Now beardies and other lizards cant handle fur but tegus cant. You should have gone with high fat content if you wanted to make your argument plausible.
Also, sure your tegu will be your baby, trust me, some of the poeple your aruging to have alot tamer and ncier tegus than you. And alot healthier tegus as well. Most of their tegus will not only run off when left out of the cage but walk happily past food to get attneition from their owners. Learn a bit more befor you speak. Like the fact that adult tegus arent carnivorus. Only the columbian species are. Argentine species are in fact omnivours and throughly enjoy a diet of both meat and fruits.
Not much to say as I dont belive you'll even read all of this. Its kinda sad that a 16 yr old girl can talk circles aorund you in a debate like this. Have a nice day.
Nochii
ps. one more thing, tokays live throughout india to new guinea, tegus argentina-columbia, they would never even meet eachother in the wild. lol."
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I responded back as well. Just look at his setup he really is making it like the natural habitat.
I watched all the way through...Very sad, poor tegu, its so cute.
Did anyone else notice when it had the very large one in the corner there was a 2nd one take off out of the water bowl??
All the is letting it do is kill them, there is no way it could swallow these prey.
I left a comment too, and am going to flag also
Did anyone else notice when it had the very large one in the corner there was a 2nd one take off out of the water bowl??
All the is letting it do is kill them, there is no way it could swallow these prey.
I left a comment too, and am going to flag also
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My only issue with us is that we've given this a-holes video and audience.
People like him, god I'm pissed.
People like him, god I'm pissed.
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What a stupid keeper, he has no clue at all.... :x :x :?
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greentriple said:
I understand you completely GreenTiple but I feel that if we don't try and inform him or act on this then that would be even worse. There is a ton of this going on in the world and every little effort helps in the long run. I myself am guilty of letting this get the best of me. I get so mad and just lash out. I think without education...ignorance like this will just breed more. But to just ignore it...I think that would be just as bad. I have since blocked this person from my youtube and messaging me. Here is the last response I recieved:
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hey, this guy sent me a pm through youtube, here's what he said
Message: here we go again in the wild do tegus choose their size meal? no they kill what ever they can and eat what ever they can ok i do not care what any one thinks about how i treat my animal i treat my animal as if it still lived in the wild!not like all the other owners who give them baths and every thing like that my tegu is way stronger and in so much better shape then half if not all of you pet owners tegus because the real reason why you think im such a horrible owner is because you guyses tegus wouldnt be able to do it
Message: here we go again in the wild do tegus choose their size meal? no they kill what ever they can and eat what ever they can ok i do not care what any one thinks about how i treat my animal i treat my animal as if it still lived in the wild!not like all the other owners who give them baths and every thing like that my tegu is way stronger and in so much better shape then half if not all of you pet owners tegus because the real reason why you think im such a horrible owner is because you guyses tegus wouldnt be able to do it
here is the reply I got from him and my message back:
Original Message:
> yepp yepp mr know it all umm any way back to reality ild tegus hunt and take down prey by force ...
I have two tegus, both of which are larger than yours, and have kept nile monitors, and dozens of other species of rodent eatting reptiles so don't think I am not coming from an educated and experienced place. If you want to treat your tegu as if its from the WILD then may I recomend the diet that your young tegu would get in the WILD which would largely be plant matter and insects at this stage. Also, please inform me as to how a tokay gecko from ASIA is part of your tegus wild diet? What I am trying to demonstrate to you is that your excuse that you are going "natural" is nothing but a bullshit and poor excuse for you to watch an animals fight that would never be replicated in nature.
By the way, in my experience in exotic vet offices, I can tell you that a tegu with its face ripped off by an over sized rat is not as cool or as uncommon as you seem to think it is. I have seen it a hundred times and can only imagine that yours is just around the corner.
grow up, if you want to be macho and sadistic and somehow prove you are man by making animals fight with eachother, you should know it isn't working. Your "wild" argument is weak at best and its obvious you are one distrubed individual.
Original Message:
> yepp yepp mr know it all umm any way back to reality ild tegus hunt and take down prey by force ...
I have two tegus, both of which are larger than yours, and have kept nile monitors, and dozens of other species of rodent eatting reptiles so don't think I am not coming from an educated and experienced place. If you want to treat your tegu as if its from the WILD then may I recomend the diet that your young tegu would get in the WILD which would largely be plant matter and insects at this stage. Also, please inform me as to how a tokay gecko from ASIA is part of your tegus wild diet? What I am trying to demonstrate to you is that your excuse that you are going "natural" is nothing but a bullshit and poor excuse for you to watch an animals fight that would never be replicated in nature.
By the way, in my experience in exotic vet offices, I can tell you that a tegu with its face ripped off by an over sized rat is not as cool or as uncommon as you seem to think it is. I have seen it a hundred times and can only imagine that yours is just around the corner.
grow up, if you want to be macho and sadistic and somehow prove you are man by making animals fight with eachother, you should know it isn't working. Your "wild" argument is weak at best and its obvious you are one distrubed individual.
He tegu is stronger??? HahahHAHA let his little tegu meet VOREN!KoreanDeathKid said:
That tegu would never go after anything that big in the wild.. Plus the rat would of gotten away.. no way that tegu ate that rat..no way.. he just likes watching his tegu kill things. enough said.
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Why are we giving this guy the time of day???
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Dave, just what I tried to say several posts earlier.
My final 2 cents, while it's well known that I don't agree with some of the positions regarding Tegus on this site, I think it's cruel to do what this animal is doing. It flies in the face of what our Tegus need, regardless of whether you think they should be cuddled, bathed, are peers or simply pets, you don't torture an animal, Rat or Tegu. These are captive bred, born and raised lizards. They are not wild and to try and treat them as wild is irresponsible, in particular if you think wild means giving it other animals for sport.
A guy like that is unlikely to change in any regard, much less when he feels attacked. Think how we hunker down when the Tegus like, feel and love discussions start up. This guy is to Tegus what Michael Vic is to dogs.
My final 2 cents, while it's well known that I don't agree with some of the positions regarding Tegus on this site, I think it's cruel to do what this animal is doing. It flies in the face of what our Tegus need, regardless of whether you think they should be cuddled, bathed, are peers or simply pets, you don't torture an animal, Rat or Tegu. These are captive bred, born and raised lizards. They are not wild and to try and treat them as wild is irresponsible, in particular if you think wild means giving it other animals for sport.
A guy like that is unlikely to change in any regard, much less when he feels attacked. Think how we hunker down when the Tegus like, feel and love discussions start up. This guy is to Tegus what Michael Vic is to dogs.
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Interesting though. His story crosses itself many times with double negatives.
He says
"ok i do also use feeder anoles and i was out at the time so i decided to buy a diffrent lizard it was either an armadillo lizard [spiny tail] or tokay gecko hmm whats safer? think 2nd yea the rats were large but did my lizard eat it? yes kill it? yess i took the other out after it caught 1 and in the end my tegu came out with no scratches or cuts i dont always feed it full sized rats i do it mabe once a month or every other month"
So I say
"That's all fine and dandy. Rat was too large and you've replied the same thing to like 20 people on youtube. Thanks for the cookie cutter response. You should be feeding smaller mammals. In the wild, they will pass on animals that are too big for them in effort to find something else easier to digest and sometimes even more interesting. There is no choice between tokay and armadillo lizards as feeders, interesting though that you've told others I know, that the tokay escaped and you couldn't stop the tegu, now you state that it was a chosen feeder. Get your story straight. Oh and you're full of it, you were not going to feed an armadillo lizard to a 100$ tegu, that's a load of crap. That's like feeding your mice gold flake. That makes no fiscal sense. If a tokay and "armadillo" lizard were all you had, as pets I'm assuming to use as feeders? Then you should have got your lazy hind out to buy the animal some food. Don't rely on other pets to use as food. Please refrain from sharing your ignorance and improper husbandry with the rest of the internet."
He says
"ok i do also use feeder anoles and i was out at the time so i decided to buy a diffrent lizard it was either an armadillo lizard [spiny tail] or tokay gecko hmm whats safer? think 2nd yea the rats were large but did my lizard eat it? yes kill it? yess i took the other out after it caught 1 and in the end my tegu came out with no scratches or cuts i dont always feed it full sized rats i do it mabe once a month or every other month"
So I say
"That's all fine and dandy. Rat was too large and you've replied the same thing to like 20 people on youtube. Thanks for the cookie cutter response. You should be feeding smaller mammals. In the wild, they will pass on animals that are too big for them in effort to find something else easier to digest and sometimes even more interesting. There is no choice between tokay and armadillo lizards as feeders, interesting though that you've told others I know, that the tokay escaped and you couldn't stop the tegu, now you state that it was a chosen feeder. Get your story straight. Oh and you're full of it, you were not going to feed an armadillo lizard to a 100$ tegu, that's a load of crap. That's like feeding your mice gold flake. That makes no fiscal sense. If a tokay and "armadillo" lizard were all you had, as pets I'm assuming to use as feeders? Then you should have got your lazy hind out to buy the animal some food. Don't rely on other pets to use as food. Please refrain from sharing your ignorance and improper husbandry with the rest of the internet."
