New Sumatran Water Monitor

[JohnMatthew]

Surviving is a far cry from thriving in my opinion. I personally enjoy constructive criticism but since you don't seem to I won't add anything else. Good luck with your animals, friend.

 

[james.w]

I just hope you keep us updated whatever way it goes, good or bad. I don't agree with the way you are keeping him, but it is your choice. I do wish you a long happy life with him though.

 

[HeatherN]

when it comes to keeping separate species together when normal not this link may interest you, good read. http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1988068,1988068

as for the other stuff, they're his animals, and he doesn't seem to mistreat them, i would let him do what he does how he does it as long as they're healthy and whatnot.

 

[TegusRawsome80]

There's more issues than "bonding" with housing separate species. IE parasites since both his water and his columbian were almost certainly imported(from different parts of the country). Also, different care requirements. But it's alright. Done with this thread. Best of luck with this.

 

[m3s4]

There's more issues than "bonding" with housing separate species. IE parasites since both his water and his columbian were almost certainly imported(from different parts of the country). Also, different care requirements. But it's alright. Done with this thread. Best of luck with this.

That's all you had to say, and I'm glad you did. No harm, no foul.

Everything's good.

As for the comment about surviving vs thriving, that's a call only an sharp eye and very good visual observer can make. Since I'm not an idiot, I think I know and can distinguish quite easily, the difference.

To everyone that's posted in this thread: thanks.

It's nice to see people that care about the well-being of all the animals involved, ultimately that should be the goal. It's my top-priority to make sure my animals thrive and just because the path I choose is different doesn't mean the destination or end-result is, or will be.

It's ok to think out-side of the box sometimes.

 

[james.w]

The problem with most reptiles, monitors are notorious for this is once you see a problem it is too late. They will not show any signs of weakness or illness until it is too late.

 

[yulyani]

The problem with most reptiles, monitors are notorious for this is once you see a problem it is too late. They will not show any signs of weakness or illness until it is too late.

Dear James............ i totally agree with your words....when we see the problem on monitor lizards,...usually it's too late....I have been keeping them since I was very young,....and because of my limited skill I have lost some of them,...eventhough we provide the proper medical care with vets,...this procedure has limit to cure the illness in monitor lizards.

My conclusion after years of living with them is the prevention is the best, much more than a cure. In my past I tried to co-habitat the monitor lizards in different species ( dumeril and melinus ) and it ended with a very sad result...so I am still thinking the safest way is to keep them solitary,....except for breeding of course...they have the very different temperament ( i think it is also very important beside their different needs ) and we can not predict exactly what will happen

 

[james.w]

yulyani .....

How hard is it to get varanus that is native to you? Do you keep yours indoors or out?

 

[yulyani]

yulyani .....

How hard is it to get varanus that is native to you? Do you keep yours indoors or out?

Hi James,
I am sorry if my english is limited. If you mean their availability,...they are very easily found ...I could still noticed water monitor run away at the compound (grassy area ) and I envy to see how healthy they are in the wild.

I have the indoor and outdoor cage for my monitors. The tame one usually taken outside during morning to evening to get the sunshine,...but I bring them inside still in the indoor cage with substrates on the evening-night...I am concern about the cool night temperature they may feel if they are staying always outside,...because at the outdoor cage i can not provide the substrate ( it is too big and not easy to clean ).....
The water monitor MJ below in pictures...I haven't release him into the big outdoor enclosure,...because he is not completely tamed down and it's not easy to handle him without help...

I am thinking, the best way to keep monitor is to give them their native environtment...in my minds,..they are more like a cat (wilder),...and tegu, they are more likely a dog

 

[james.w]

Your English is very good and thanks for the info. Is it legal to catch and keep wild varanus.

 

[yulyani]

Your English is very good and thanks for the info. Is it legal to catch and keep wild varanus.

thank you I will learn many from you about their caring....

 

[JohnMatthew]

There's more issues than "bonding" with housing separate species. IE parasites since both his water and his columbian were almost certainly imported(from different parts of the country). Also, different care requirements. But it's alright. Done with this thread. Best of luck with this.

That's all you had to say, and I'm glad you did. No harm, no foul.

Everything's good.

As for the comment about surviving vs thriving, that's a call only an sharp eye and very good visual observer can make. Since I'm not an idiot, I think I know and can distinguish quite easily, the difference.

To everyone that's posted in this thread: thanks.

It's nice to see people that care about the well-being of all the animals involved, ultimately that should be the goal. It's my top-priority to make sure my animals thrive and just because the path I choose is different doesn't mean the destination or end-result is, or will be.

It's ok to think out-side of the box sometimes.

You can be as observant as you like but it only takes 2 seconds on a bad day to completely ruin your utopian cohabitation setup. Even same species kept together is a risk that keepers(myself included) often take. Just don't trick yourself into thinking your observant eye can protect your animals in these conditions - sometimes things just take a bad turn my friend.

 

[m3s4]

There's more issues than "bonding" with housing separate species. IE parasites since both his water and his columbian were almost certainly imported(from different parts of the country). Also, different care requirements. But it's alright. Done with this thread. Best of luck with this.

That's all you had to say, and I'm glad you did. No harm, no foul.

Everything's good.

As for the comment about surviving vs thriving, that's a call only an sharp eye and very good visual observer can make. Since I'm not an idiot, I think I know and can distinguish quite easily, the difference.

To everyone that's posted in this thread: thanks.

It's nice to see people that care about the well-being of all the animals involved, ultimately that should be the goal. It's my top-priority to make sure my animals thrive and just because the path I choose is different doesn't mean the destination or end-result is, or will be.

It's ok to think out-side of the box sometimes.

You can be as observant as you like but it only takes 2 seconds on a bad day to completely ruin your utopian cohabitation setup. Even same species kept together is a risk that keepers(myself included) often take. Just don't trick yourself into thinking your observant eye can protect your animals in these conditions - sometimes things just take a bad turn my friend.

Duly noted, and I appreciate the concern.

 

[yulyani]

There's more issues than "bonding" with housing separate species. IE parasites since both his water and his columbian were almost certainly imported(from different parts of the country). Also, different care requirements. But it's alright. Done with this thread. Best of luck with this.

That's all you had to say, and I'm glad you did. No harm, no foul.

Everything's good.

As for the comment about surviving vs thriving, that's a call only an sharp eye and very good visual observer can make. Since I'm not an idiot, I think I know and can distinguish quite easily, the difference.

To everyone that's posted in this thread: thanks.

It's nice to see people that care about the well-being of all the animals involved, ultimately that should be the goal. It's my top-priority to make sure my animals thrive and just because the path I choose is different doesn't mean the destination or end-result is, or will be.

It's ok to think out-side of the box sometimes.

You can be as observant as you like but it only takes 2 seconds on a bad day to completely ruin your utopian cohabitation setup. Even same species kept together is a risk that keepers(myself included) often take. Just don't trick yourself into thinking your observant eye can protect your animals in these conditions - sometimes things just take a bad turn my friend.

yes John I agree with you the things you mean happened to my beloved varanus melinus Tongky after long time co- habitat with Rokomo my dumeril. She went into the un-treatable trauma condition and i never forgive myself...the one I wish is only to turn back the time again prevent it to happen......

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There's more issues than "bonding" with housing separate species. IE parasites since both his water and his columbian were almost certainly imported(from different parts of the country). Also, different care requirements. But it's alright. Done with this thread. Best of luck with this.

That's all you had to say, and I'm glad you did. No harm, no foul.

Everything's good.

As for the comment about surviving vs thriving, that's a call only an sharp eye and very good visual observer can make. Since I'm not an idiot, I think I know and can distinguish quite easily, the difference.

To everyone that's posted in this thread: thanks.

It's nice to see people that care about the well-being of all the animals involved, ultimately that should be the goal. It's my top-priority to make sure my animals thrive and just because the path I choose is different doesn't mean the destination or end-result is, or will be.

It's ok to think out-side of the box sometimes.

You can be as observant as you like but it only takes 2 seconds on a bad day to completely ruin your utopian cohabitation setup. Even same species kept together is a risk that keepers(myself included) often take. Just don't trick yourself into thinking your observant eye can protect your animals in these conditions - sometimes things just take a bad turn my friend.

yes John I agree with you the things you mean happened to my beloved varanus melinus Tongky after long time co- habitat with Rokomo my dumeril. She went into the un-treatable trauma condition and i never forgive myself...the one I wish is only to turn back the time again prevent it to happen......

 

[Grendel]

Have to agree with the "mean posters"...bad setup for the wanter monitor.

 

[m3s4]

Have to agree with the "mean posters"...bad setup for the wanter monitor.

Don't think there's any mean posters in this thread, just concerned ones that want to see a success story and not a mistake.

People, please keep in mind this is only a _temporary_ set-up.

Ally, my adult B&W has her own room and her own enclosure when she isn't roaming. She isn't part of the equation.

Tai, my 8 month old colombian is still too small to roam and he doesn't get that part of it yet - in time he will. So, it makes the most logical sense to house these two together. Since they're similarly sized, and young, they're doing just fine - you know, figuring it out together.

Just to note, when I'm not home, Tai stays in a small sleeper so nothing can inadvertently happen when I'm gone.

I appreciate everyone's concerns and so far, everything's been fine.

The monitor's eating ground turkey like mad and putting back on some of the weight he lost before he was shipped to me.

 

[TegusRawsome80]

Face-palm. Monitor... ground turkey... Lord. Why didn't you wait on the water monitor until you had an enclosure for it? How temporary is it?

 

[frost]

haha its always amusing reading posts on here when people rage. but im not going to put any info on the monitors since i haven't had many, i just have the information from what i read on here and other forums. i love water monitors tho. does anyone else on here have any? i wanna see some adults and some cool enclosures.
vulyani can i see your outside enclosures? those are always cool to see what people have built for their reptiles.=]

 

[yulyani]

hi,

i post you some of the pictures of outdoor and indoor cages i use...If you see the picture of tongky my melinus,...she is not longer with me since i failed to save her life after accident with the co habitat rokomo....eventhough the cage is big enough....

the very small skink lizard named Caplin is about 10 years old,....he has the heart issue and I keep treat with medicines with the help of the vets.

the black hole is my very number one pet....miut the mixed dog ...!!!hehehehe

 

[frost]

wow those are awesome.=] i didnt know the dumerils were so pretty.or was that the water? i cant wait till my tegus get that big.my biggest is my red tegu rosy,she is daddy's little girl haha. that is a nice cage for the blue tongue, i have a pair of blue tongues myself. the dog is cute too my grandpa used to have a dog that was was my favorite,it was part wolf and part German Shepard. thanks for taking the time to upload those pics.=] sorry if i was rambling i just woke up a little bit ago. and sorry to hear about your loss. my only pet i had die on me was my rosy boa that i had for like 5 years.=/